Bas apples xplien
I provide a good read on how bad apples spoil politics can be found here
I critique anyone who holds an evaluative asymmetry whereby anything that happens in wild habitat is automatically less bad than anything that happens in an industrialized society. left anarchism subreddit sidebar
I am opposed to politics that is inspired by fury, bitterness and grievances . Such resentfulness has no place in politics Nick Fuentes telegraph early March 2023 in reply to skinhead groups he rejects, rpl rage w fury, bitterness rpl resentment but still used resentment like Nick did
Politics should instead draw from our conscious which reaps the moral uprightness (or at worst Vaush 'righteousness' [see Destiny subreddit for what that means]), and deep affection we should have for our universes' creator-higher power (even if G-d see Paschal's Wager, if your heart is hardened against religion/faith than just have deep affection for mother nature) . The focus should be on the bread of life , Emmanuel , Jewish Messiah, etc (or if you refuse to accept faith then look toward the stars i.e Pisces)
Nick Fuentes telegraph early March 2023 like above replace righteousness with moral uprightness/vaush righteousness , god w god (but diff), jesus w jesus but diff pisces code for jesus etc, love rpl by deep affection, conscious also stand in for god, bread of life means jesus etc
The MSM, NGOs etc divide us ,target, smear and cancel anyone who doesn’t conform to their Liberal 2.0 rhetoric. The MSM along with the SPLC and ADL in particular enflame and fan the flames of hate through such vile, corrupt tactics
Most people have the good sense to understand that acting like a jerk should not be a lifestyle choice, and that if you make acting like s jerk a lifestyle choice, people will respond to you based on your choices. sjw or stormfnt reddit
The extremes of both sides (Liberal 2.0 and Right Wing only) are disgusting. The far left and Radical Center/extreme upper center are the only extremes which are good and not disgusting
"I don't criticize Democrats because I side with Republicans, I criticize Democrats because THEY side with Republicans. Our fight is not Left/Right anymore, it is Us vs.Them. We have 2 corporate party's that serve Wall St/War Machine/Corporations & crush everyone else. #UniParty" Jimmy Dore
I am going to force the Republican party to move left of the Democrat party while also moving the Democrat party forward and left of the PSL. I am going to deradicalize and reprogram right wingers to be at least as left wing as Contrapoints, Kyle Kulinski, Hasan, Destiny (streamer) or at worst as 'left' as Josh Gottheimer
"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace." former US President James Madison
So if the Democrats are the anti bigot and pro inclusive party and the Republicans are the bigot and anti inclusive party why isn’t the Republican party banned or at the very least a major political party?
The Wikileaks in the late 2010s exposed the blatant bias, cheating and collusion that the DNC displayed. Both parties are bad. Julian Asange should be commended for those Wikileaks. No side should be immune from having their bad deeds exposed walkaway reddit
Even though I sm not Anti Biden and he is somewhere above below average as President, I have to point out that Joe Biden can still be impeached. All it would take is for the House to impeach. The Senate would do their thing after the House impeaches. walkaway reddit
Might want to add convicted because if Republicans retake the House and a large amount are from the Freedom Caucus, then Biden will be impeached. Most likely not convicted but he will be impeached walkaway reddit
At the end of the day, I can live with right wingers, moderates and even to a lesser extent left wingers being persecuted and trolled by Liberal 2.0ers. I don’t really want to come to their aide if I don’t have to and I really don’t because I don’t want to be a goody two shoes SJW virtue signaler to right wingers, moderates and some Left wingers like Liberal 2.0ers claim to be for marginalized groups
Every policy and major government initiative in the US were NOT and are NOT for the purposes of maintaining White supremacy (at least since the early 1970s). Anyone who says otherwise is a deluded anti white conspiracy theorist nut who hates the US
Some Left Wingers, moderates, and Right wingers claim to be more open than Liberal 2.0ers but they refuse to even listen to ideas like Socialism, Medicare for All etc out of small mindedness, bitterness and ignorance
Some Liberal 2.0ers claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. late 2010s online take on i saw social media or news blogsphere
It's funny, Liberal 2.0ers always claim to stick up for the 'marginalized' and 'oppressed' while claiming to be against bullying ,yet they engage in the same tactics ,especially on social media over people and views they find offensive or don't agree with. Joe Biden is one recent example of this with him smearing Trump supporters
It’s funny , the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far rightists who claim to be Christians but spew pure hatred that goes against the teachings of the Gospels left wing redditer who used to be conservative on meidas toych tweet on right wingers claiming gregg abbot is a commie for accepting fed help on antibds buggy
A lot of Liberal 2.0ers like the Twitter trolls who WRONGLY attacked and tried to cancel Chris Pratt over him not going to a Joe Biden fundraiser and for Pratt’s INNOCENT Instagram post about his wife or who WRONGLY attacked Scott Baio about his date with his wife, or the evil redditors in a local subreddit who WRONGLY insulted and bullied another redditor asking for friend advice all because he belonged to a left wing anti idpol subreddit, the braindead students at the University of New Hampshire who WRONGLY tried to prevent Dave Rubin’s speech a few years ago (including that idiot professor who inspired them) ,the pieces of sh*t who WRONGLY swatted Tim Pool and MTG are all horrible people in every sense of the word and a mark against our country, world and society. They are pious, mean, bullying and live in an echo chamber. Social media brings out the worst in people.
Their parents were horrible parents for raising them to be such evil demonic trolls. Their grandparents were horrible parents to their parents.
This is because of proto Liberal 2.0 new age methods used to raise and teach children like those particular Liberal 2.0 trolls in the 1980s and 1990s and 2000s was senseless, stupid, and flat out wrong
Those particular Liberal 2.0 are literally the vocal MINORITY.The vast vast majority of Americans and Canadians are against their trolling and evil acts
Over 90 percent of Americans and Canadians would criticize those particular Liberal 2.0 freaks for being so evil and wrong.
Those particular Liberal 2.0 reddit, twitter and University of New Hampshire trolls mentioned several paragraphs above disgrace our country ,world , humanity and EVERY American , European , Oceanic, Asia and Canadian great who died before the 20th century (including Mark Twain, Rosa Luxemberg, JFK, RFK, John Lennon, Andy Warhol, Samantha Smith, Rock Hudson, Frank Sinatra, MLK JR, Web Dubois, Malcolm X, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Abraham Lincoln, would strongly condemn everyone of those particular Liberal 2.0 trolls for their wrong and evil actions)
Both parties and sides of the ideological divide, especially the Democrats and in particular Liberal 2.0ers,EAT THEIR OWN ,see here for more, here, here etc
It is insane that Liberal 2.0ers falsely insist that anyone on their side who has opinions that diverge from their groupthink views must be a grifter, DINO, tankie alt right or far right.
Liberal 2.0ers through purity tests, create a system where all views are absolutely labeled as right wing, or liberal/progressive /left wing. So if you for example show sympathy for the pro life movement they say ‘so and so sounds like a right wing Trump supporter’.
They push these so called ‘grifters’ further and further right with their purity tests and witch hunts all because these so called ‘grifters’ had the audacity to agree with Right wingers on a few hot button issues. Being open to discussion has nothing to do with which side you're aligned with.
This way Liberal 2.0ers can justify shunning, canceling , censoring, excluding people they don’t agree with since they put everyone in the ‘right wing’ camp that don’t agree with them, even on only a few issues that to them are ‘right wing’. They use this to shut down opposition since they can falsely say through these dumb purity tests ‘see only right wingers would have such views, walk like a duck talk like a duck must be a duck’
Post Left Watch Twitter is a prime example of this and similar points I make in this blog.
Post Left Watch is a "leftist" (i.e: Democrat) account that has a hate boner for Chapo trap house because they were too mean to Taylor Lorenz. They are a social media parasite who stifles any independent thought or criticism of Democrats stupidpol
I do see where Post Left Watch is coming from in this post though. Of course they are still wrong
Love the replies to said post: "Why am I mad at Progressives? Mainly because their bigotry is as explicit as MAGA but also this post by Post Left Watch"
"This is the definition of Post-Left? A term I just encountered. By this definition, the Democratic Party is Left?". "The thing is who cares about the democrats. I'm not voting because of theils gaggle of weirdos. It's a bourgeois imperialist party responsible for untold misery and exploitation abroad and it's commitment to social issues was always negotiated and temporary"
"The Thiel-Sacks history is real but you go from seeing 'Post-left' as a deceptive ideological projection to treating it as if real and ever-expanding by association. National Conservatives use ideological projections as veneers, trying to work meme-magic."
in reply to this reply "Uhhh progressives, like AOC, are in the Democratic Party. This theory makes no sense. Progressives, among other groups, mobilised in a huge way to get out the vote for 2020. The ideology of progressive politicians is “do more” not “don’t vote if we can’t get everything we want”, I love this reply: "Justice Dems like AOC disagree with you."
I also echo this thread on Post Left Watch
See here and here for a good point that jives with these points above and below
Liberal 2.0ers are 'ideologically possessed', and thus its a matter of ideological purity, and purity tests. There will be always be new tests of purity and righteousness, like stuff you are supposed to and not supposed to do, think or say. Since they are psychologically 'possessed' by their belief system, their self-identification and ego is dependent on passing purity tests and looking good by the metrics of their ideology. tim pool subreddit
They become self-centered, and less empathetic - more prone to dehumanization, madness, hostility, hate and fear towards those people who are not of their ideology. This leads to an us vs them mentality where outsiders are viewed by them as threats or apostates, who lack in moral worth and deserve to be berated at the very least, shamed or harmed at the very most. tim pool subreddit
It is here where confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance comes into play, to shield them from changing their minds - since their ego is resting upon their ideology like a comfort item and they are scared of losing that comfort item. So their minds filter out or conveniently reframes and information that will not conform to their ideology, and pays added attention to what information does conform to it. They interpret information either too charitably, or uncharitably, based upon that. tim pool subreddit
Thats why fine reasoned takes by people such as Glenn Greenwald, Steven Pinker, Krystal Ball, Joe Rogan and others outside of woke ideology are interpreted as dumb or malevolent, and they will look past the clear meanings of what, say Glenn Greenwald, says. So in their distorted view, Glenn Greenwald really is saying dumb and or terrible things. When they say that people like Caleb Mauphin are nazis, they aren't exaggerating - their perception of reality is so messed up, that they can't see the difference. They are living a nightmare of their own making. Its only that they take it out on others. tim pool subreddit is tim pool a liberal
From Fox mid 2022 article “While Glenn Greenwald has built quite the fan base with his Substack, he also has many foes, particularly liberals on Twitter who constantly accuse him of being "right-wing" for his criticisms of the legacy media.
Greenwald calls that description of him "bizarre," particularly since he was previously the target of the right-wing Brazilian government, telling Fox Digital he can't think of any political stance of his that has changed since he was previously perceived by those same people as a leftist.
Ultimately, he thinks such labels have become "meaningless" since Trump scrambled the "ideological landscape in a very fundamental way."
Basically that is what a cult is like.left critism of them reddit
In fact the Liberal 2.0ers are a cult. Anyone who doesn't agree with their views (especially to the right of them) get smeared and trashed as 'grifters', 'far right', 'alt right' 'extremists', 'tankies', 'right wing' etc. That is textbook cult like behavior and anyone who doesn't see that is a cultist themselves, plain and simple. The irony of course is the Liberal 2.0ers support ACTUAL Nazis in Azoz Battillion
The thing is that Liberal 2.0ers and Democrats will FALSELY smear any Leftist/Liberal 2.0er/Democrat who disagrees with them as right wing since that way they can FALSELY say 'SEE only right wingers disagree with us'. It's the oldest trick in the book and Right wingers do this too
People mistake Leftist repulsion of Liberal 2.0ers and Liberal 2.0 Democrats as moving right, but I think all such terms are losing their meanings as we go through this enormous political realignment. stupidpol
Though to throw a bone to the liberal 2.0ers who smear some leftists or progressives with the 'grifter' label , being left wing and or progressive and being critical of Liberal 2.0/ Democrat ideology like the public figures and social media people who who are left wing and or progressive do definitely present an opening for the reactionary right wing to exploit and bring those leftists and progressives down a rightward pipeline to the alt right. stupidpol
There is a psychological phenomenon in which people who recently changed their opinion on a previously held belief are more included to change their opinion on subsequent, unrelated stuff.stupidpol
That's the way that many cults do their recruiting, they start with a small, reasonable idea that disputes a person's belief and once the victim has accepted that idea they move to a marginally more extreme idea, chaining these incremental steps together to move reasonable, level headed people constantly deeper into their belief system.stupidpol
The same technique can be utilized to radicalize people, even those pesky Liberal 2.0ers, so be on the lookout for it and please use it responsibly. So yes, those leftists and lean leftists who get called 'grifters' by Liberal 2.0ers, might (a big might) have a decent chance of falling into some pipeline to the alt right, if we apply that cult pipeline theory above. stupidpol
The Liberal 2.0 factions of the Democratic Party are hanging on by a thread. We need to remove the Liberal 2.0 factions of the Democratic Party’s thread .
The men and women forgotten by the DNC due to the Liberal 2.0 takeover are finally casting aside the chains of their new oppressors, like an abuse victim standing up for themselves. It takes boldness and courage to be against the highly questionable and trollish Liberal 2.0 factions that have overtaken the Democrat party. The victims need power, encouragement and to be out of hiding. walkaway reddit
The Liberal 2.0ers smear them with these fake labels to delegitimize them since the Liberal 2.0ers are afraid at least in their mind of being exposed for the bad faith, authoritarian and occasionally wrong reactionaries that they are. Maybe Liberal 2.0ers all force themselves to have the same views so they can label any views they don’t have as these labels ‘Far right’.
This causes them to be able to stifle debate or cancel or censor, especially by simply writing that said views are Right Wing or even ‘Far right’ which delegitimizes the opposition. Labels mean nothing.
The Liberal 2.0ers in the media insist on calling any brand of ideology they don’t like as “far-right” but it is nothing of the kind a lot of the time. Far right targeting by Liberal 2.0ers is another form of command-and-control, with roots in Liberal 2.0 thinking.
The perspective that makes some non far right things seem to be “far-right” is only from other sorts of Liberalism 2.0. The proponents of Liberal 2.0 doctrines are so self-absorbed that they can’t possibly come up with another type of social organization, and their complete existence is so keyed to one form or another of Liberal 2.0 command-and-control, they see all things through the same prism. And they all descend into warfare among themselves, each believing that theirs is the “One and True Path”. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4114498/posts
A delusion that has endured since the rise of human based governance with the organization of clans and tribes. Tough person and obedient followers. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4114498/posts
Even some left leaning libertarians have been pushed out of mainstream left spaces by WRONGLY AND FALSELY being called ‘far right bigot’ (if those particular left leaning libertarians are far right bigots so are 70 to 80 percent of Americans, Australians and Europeans since the majority of those countries are to the right of those particular left leaning libertarians on most issues) reddit left leaning libertarian complaint https://www.reddit.com/r/ConservativeKiwi/comments/yjocps/karl_du_fresne_how_the_term_far_right_has_been/
Those ‘mainstream leftists’ who smeared left leaning libertarians as ‘far right bigots’ are a cult
A overlooked to significant amount of what is classified as "far Right" is merely classical Liberalism. The classic "Cthulhu swims Left"/Overton window: what was overall "Left"/liberal 50 or 100 years ago is currently "conservative" or "far Right". I do loathe muddling Left and Liberal though. I think Curtis Yarvin's simplified definitions suit immensely: American/Western Left is chaos, Right is order (Carlyle), "Right is right, Left is Left", Right is the absence of leftism. https://www.reddit.com/r/ConservativeKiwi/comments/yjocps/karl_du_fresne_how_the_term_far_right_has_been/
See this article on how the Liberal 2.0ers are weaponizing the term ‘far right’ to smear, censor and delegit opposition. Also see this and this
This is called Partisan tolerance. conservapedia
Partisan tolerance was created by author Herbert Marcuse. Partisan tolerance demands that the enemies of the proto Liberal 2.0/Liberal 2.0 revolution must be forced into tolerance, but proto Liberal 2.0ers/Liberal 2.0ers are allowed to be intolerant against them. The reason is that there are "correct" opinions that are preferred, and "incorrect" opinions that must be challenged and defeated conservapedia
Partisan tolerance is basically the same as political correctness, censorship, and cutbacks of First Amendment Free Speech rights. conservapedia
Marcuse wrote that liberating tolerance would include tolerating the excesses of proto Liberal 2.0ers (and eventual Liberal 2.0) but not those of the Right and those outside the proto Liberal 2.0 (and eventual Liberal 2.0) group. Marcuse contended that the Right and those outside the proto Liberal 2.0 (and eventual Liberal 2.0) group. are deserving of intolerance. conservapedia
In Marcuse’s mind, a non partisan tolerance leaves the established values intact, which leads to repressive tolerance. conservapedia
So basically, Marcuse only accepted a partisan tolerance which is intolerant toward the protagonists of the repressive status quo or that promotes intolerance against movements from the Right and outside the proto Liberal 2.0 (and eventual Liberal 2.0) group , and toleration of movements from the proto Liberal 2.0 (and eventual Liberal 2.0) group conservapedia
If Liberal 2.0ers are ‘correct’ on so many issues, why do they censor, deplatform, shame, smear, cancel, silence etc people on either side who question or opposed their narrative on hot button issues?
That behavior by the Liberal 2.0ers makes them look guilty (like they are wrong not that I necessarily believe that) since if they were correct, they wouldn’t care if people on the other side questioned or opposed their views on hot button issues
A lot of Centrists (including Liberal 2.0ers) and right wingers and progressives (along with Independents) are being manipulated in ways they do not realize elon musk
I am against groupthink. Groupthink is one of the worst parts of the human psyche and we should guard against it , whether it is in politics and business, consumerism, holidays etc. Who's with me? patricus maximus wikipedia minus examples
From David French "With a striking empirical regularity, deliberation tends to move groups, and the individuals who compose them, toward a more extreme point in the direction indicated by their own predeliberation judgments. In plain English, this means that when like-minded people gather, their views get more extreme. Our arguments reinforce one another to such an extent that the entire group will sometimes become more extreme than the most extreme person at the start of the deliberation"
More and more Liberal 2.0 minds have been associated with an ever growing higher risk of having many types of burnout. Their brains (ie amygdala) are wired in such a way that they are more risk taking and childlike blind optimism (which leads to recklessness) toward new things than non Liberal 2.0 minds (especially Far left, Left Wing, Moderate , Conservative, and Republican brains) who are wired to be more anxious and fearful of new things.metapedia
What this means is that this mind wiring causes those Liberal 2.0ers to be more 'open' to or embracing things like mass illegal migration, Social fascism, BDS/Anti Zionism , defunding the police, no voter id laws, drag queens reading to kids ,and similar things that non Liberal 2.0ers wouldn't be open to or embrace. metapedia
This 'openness' to embrace such risky political views without fear of consequences is consistent with burnout because such behavior by liberals, while noble, burns them out quick (ie see John Edwards after his 2004 run for President or Richard Spencer for example) metapedia. This article sorts of expands on that
Just because someone never met a person (like a Liberal against same sex marriage), doesn't mean they are non existent. Furthermore, going off the fact that there exists racist Republicans who are pro life, why would that automatically mean people should assume that every right winger is the same? Our first mistake is making assumptions. You don't know anything about a person just by their political orientation.
I recommend Jonathan Haidt's ted talk 'The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives'. He is a moral psychologist and he explains how left, liberal 2.0 and right wing people typically have pretty different frames for understanding morality, which leads to their different politics.reddit cmv
Being hateful towards a group of people simply because of their race or ethnicity that they had no control over is bad. People who aggressively bother and harm others for things that they had no control over is bad enlighten centrism reddit
Prolifers for example care more about the birth of a unborn kid than they do about a woman’s well being. In Texas, the abortion ban doesn’t even make exemptions for cases of rape. I’d say those are all pretty annoying things. reddit cmv
None of this stuff make a person bad. They grew up in a different way, for whatever reason they have a different understanding of the world and most vitally they have a different set of moral standards and view of what state should be. Also, be careful of a strawman. Do conservatives truly believe that racism doesn't exist? Some people can't understand because they’ve dismissed all these conservatives as bad reddit cmv
Newspeak by Liberal 2.0 MSM media (which is pushed and codified by the mostly Liberal 2.0 AP propaganda guide ‘style guide’:
INCLUSIVE (stupid brainwash buzzword which braindead Liberal 2.0 cabal and their woke cultists use to justify erasing women and mothers through stupid gender neutral language, which they use to justify preventing a Christian Coach from doing a post game prayer to himself on the field, which they use to justify endless and unsustainable migration policies), calling the 2020 BLM riots which were not by my definition mostly peaceful or peaceful at all (not that labeling protests matters one way or another), ‘mostly peaceful’ while demonizing the Freedom trucker protestors and Tea Party people, ‘repugnant’, calling any Right wing or Left wing view they don’t agree with ‘Misinformation’ or ‘Disinformation’, using the words ‘solidarity’, or ‘stand with (fill in blank)’ to goad people into supporting their Liberal 2.0 agenda without trying to tell people to use empathy with that solidarity or stand , casually applying the far right label to anyone to the right of homophobe neocon bigot Mitt Romney)
Though far right only means well right not necessarily real far right like NDSAP or fascist far right. The the term “far right” as the Liberal 2.0 freaks use it incorporates some aspects of mainstream conservatism, though the term is more vague than extreme right or radical right and thus is not really preferred by me in general. adl. Being well on the right of the political spectrum is simply far right wikipedia talk gavin
Other Liberal 2.0 brainwash words “sex work is real work” (no sex work is exploitative, wrong, degrading and cheapens love), “my body my choice” for anti vaxxer nuts, “has a right to exist” (a phrase which wrongly and falsely implies not legalizing sex work is stopping someone from existing etc), “traditional marriage” (which is a homophobic hierarchal phrase meant to oppress same sex couples) , sycophantic (too insult, slander, abelist and defame non Libretard 2.0 opposition by falsely claiming people who disagree with them are possessed by evil) See here for more
It is the same thing with the Radical Right. Any Republican who dares says a negative word about 45 , MAGA or MAGA views is labeled a RINO, Socialist, or Assistant Democrat. Any Republican who doesn’t kiss Trump’s rings is Terruqueo targeted (peru) MAGA. It is a whole nother type of twisted cultism on the Right
It is insane that Radical Right, far right and alt right falsely insist that anyone on their side who has opinions that diverge from their hive mind views must be a Communist, Marxist , RINO, Assistant Democrat or CCPer
The Radical Right, far right and alt right smear them with these fake labels to delegitimize them since the Radical Right, far right and alt right are afraid of change and being seen as the stubborn, ultra hard line provocateurs they are
If Liberal 2.0ers keep smearing people on their side who disagree with them as grifters ,DINOs, tankies or far right, it’s a given that the Democrat Party and its members will be very negatively effected from from within, since no one wants to be part of a Liberal 2.0 echo chamber.
Basically a Liberal 2.0 echo chamber where Liberal 2.0ers have to parrot every Liberal 2.0 talking point or be smeared as a grifter ,DINO, tankie or far right, by Ultra leftists who live in a bubble and are too chicken shit to defend their enlightened talking points. I can’t stand to see the Democrats sink to those depths
This article talks about and analyzes this notion of red green brown alliances and the 'post left' better than the way Liberal 2.0ers and a few anarkiddies and Auth leftists talk about and analyze such notions
If the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far rightists keep smearing people on their side who disagree with them as Communist, Marxist , RINO, Assistant Democrat or CCPer, it’s a given that the Republican Party and its ilk will be very negatively effected from from within, since no one wants to be part of a the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far right cult
Basically a the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far right cult where they have to parrot every the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far rightist talking point or be smeared as a Communist, Marxist , RINO, Assistant Democrat or CCPer, by them who live in a bubble and are too chicken shit to defend their enlightened talking points. I could care less if the Republicans sink to those depths but just pointing this out
I echo this article https://reason.com/2022/02/08/joe-rogan-and-the-weird-new-definition-of-right-winger/https://nypost.com/2022/05/22/the-left-targets-people-like-elon-musk-for-not-conforming/ https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-on-the-left-dislike-Sam-Harris
Maybe instead of Liberal 2.0ers demonizing their fellow Democrats, liberals and progressives who don’t pass their petty purity tests, they should instead go after the people in their own party or movement for making those ‘grifters’ go ‘right’ on those issues they are ‘right wing’ on. I echo what Tim Dillion said on this matter. No more splitting the Center left/Left Center.
I hate the notion of “right wing grifter”. Liberal 2.0ers are always going on and on about that nowadays whenever someone leaves the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is somewhat right wing. There is no alternative to the Democrats other than the Republicans, who obviously will benefit from elitism and corruption by Democrats. DC is actually a town full of nothing but “grifters.”. stupidpol
Here is a perfect counter to demolish the ‘grifter’ or ‘crypto right winger’ sh*t smears by Liberal 2.0ers
Democrats and Republicans all are literally grifters if there is such a thing. Every last freaking one of those rats and cons.
Is grift truly the correct word if it's been the standard m.o and official way to have a political career for decades and centuries?
Maybe”corruption” would be a word to use for it then? stupidpol
ACTUALLY, those above lean leftists/Center to Center leftists who are falsely smeared as being ‘grifters’ didn’t actually grift, they RED PILLED my view
Whig Historically is not a set in stone political rule and it is an unsustainable and impractical ideology
The discourse is in a strange state right now where a lot of times the more clear a trend is, the less allowed you are to articulate what is actually occurring. Like, the left-identitarian embrace of racial segregation is very obviously happening, but I won’t critique them because I don’t want to be called a racist or bigot and I am not too diff than them in some ways, see here, here for instance stupidpol
It's mandated to a degree at workplaces, colleges, and lefty organizations. But you can't acknowledge it. It is all about plausible deniability. “how can it be happening if nobody(approved sourcesTM only) has heard of or mentioned it?” Any person spreading “misinformation” is only a conspiracy theorist trying to slow down their Liberal 2.0 agenda. The majority of people wouldn’t vote for this type of shit if they were honest and open about it so it needs to be dismissed as “rightwing talking points”. stupidpol
Liberal 2.0ers can’t deal with the fact that people/people on their side think differently. Liberal 2.0 and some non Liberal 2.0 leftists always try to change the meaning of what being Left Wing or Right wing is common online counter to woke sjw like youtube comments?
Conservapedia got special and general relativity confused with moral relativism. If Conservapedia used the same arguments they did on their special and general relativity articles for moral relativism, and then rewrote their special and general relativity articles to be like Wikipedia, Conservapedia would be on to something. moral relativism is a “liberal claptrap”, special and general relativity are NOT “liberal claptraps” stupidpol
Politics is downstream from culture, and the Left (and or Liberal 2.0ers) is very good at "winning the culture." stupidpol
But I don't believe that this is actually how these things work. My viewpoint is that economics are at the core and that politics, culture, etc. are all downstream from that. stupidpol
The not so long history is that capital demolished the socialist movement and the trade unions in the 1970s and in the 1980s. If there isn’t anymore reason to divide the working class like pitting various groups within the working class against each other -- since the working class has lost, then the ruling class can and will grant the political demands of those who are oppressed (becoming previously-oppressed) social formations: BIPOC, women, LGBTQs, etc. stupidpol
Because why would they not? There is no objective reason, in so much as the market economy is concerned, why should it not do this. Now, I want to make it clear that these political demands were/are legit in their own ways.
However that is the causal, materialist explanation for the question for why economic liberalization creates social liberalization. But I believe also that this creates "right-wing populism" and what I am describing here as a kind of psychosis: stupidpol
I second the analysis that the conservative psychosis is born of the fact that, in spite of their electoral wins, the broader culture never leans in their direction.
So, they are stuck in ideology, really. Think back before that, the economic liberalization of the last half of the 20th century, capitalist regimes divided the working class along a lot of different lines, granting political and social benefits to specific groups within that class: white men of a normal Christian background basically. stupidpol
Industrial shop floors were segregated with African American employees that were given lower paying jobs. LGBTQ people couldn’t be out at work, and if they were out they could not climb the corporate ladder. Women were also segregated into jobs that didn’t pay as much as unionized factory jobs for men, even though obviously women worked in these places too. stupidpol
The previously-dominant groups currently declining, at least in relatively, as capitalism restructures itself.
This creates an opening for right-wing populists to divert anger from this and place it on the signifers of these changes: the many social groups that provoke the right-wing populists‘ resentment.
However this does not actually do anything whatsoever to reverse the changes since it is just focused on attacking the signifiers, as the right wingers have no class or material analysis. stupidpol
Well if anything, the reaction further binds these groups who are targeted to the ruling hegemony due to the fact that the hegemony offers to protect them from the right-wing nationalist and/or populist backlash.
On conceding to the right stupidpol
It's mind blowing how Liberal 2.0ers and even some fellow Leftists don't realize that by them being so fearful of even talking about or being associated with some, basically neutral issue, like a meme, subculture, scene or social space online that the right wing has even so much as slightly tried to associate itself with, that they are literally ceding ground and surrendering said issue to the right.
The right wing hardly has to do any effort to take over something that it seems, just make the vaguest gesture that said issue is their turf and culture war obsessed Liberal 2.0ers immediately hand it over to them because they are obsessed with appearing ‘pure’ and free of anything even vaguely "problematic".
The entire premise of our liberal 2.0 capitalist society is that issues get passed onto the discourse, our collective enlightenment class project where an individual person is able to take a stand and speak truth to power. stupidpol
So in places where there are injustices in the world, the discourse, our speech, and self-known moral values could step in to fill in the gap. Its all premised on the notion that there is no true opposing class interest or need for material, structural changes to our society’s pillars i.e. production, that may requisite more than only moral invocation. stupidpol
Liberal Capitalism: End of history. The system is as good as it is going to get, we only need brave people to morally scold the right people into behaving the right way - which is born out of “critically examining their ‘white privilege’ and boosting the views of people of color” or “don’t allow violence in the hip hop culture anymore” depending on where on the liberal 2.0 spectrum that you happen to fall on, and what’s trending in the spectacle this week. Whatever radical rhetoric borrowed from the academic world these moral invocations consist of, whatever latent ethno-nationalist ways of thinking (“our spaces”) some readers may balk at, these calls still are feeble, liberal 2.0 and are created to maintain the status quo. stupidpol
See here for some more points I made on right wing talking points
I fully echo this letter .Here is a snip:
“I dread the prospect of a world where context, nuance, critical thinking, meritocracy, mathematics, science, and rationality are considered tools of 'white supremacy', and the rule is that you're not allowed to question or argue this senseless statement - especially if you're white. (none of those things are racist or white supremacy in any way shape or form)
A world that is conditioning you and I to believe that we will always be trapped in some weird hierarchy because of our race, our genitals, our physical abilities, our neurodiversity, our sexuality, and our politics.
And that if we do not agree on every single thing, it's a sign that we are interacting with an enemy - or at the very least, someone to be wildly suspicious and judgmental of...instead of another complex human being worthy of being seen and heard.
I wish this world I’m speaking of was just a figment of my imagination, but we are already inside it. Our suitcases have been unpacked here for quite some time.”
I do not want to exist in a world where being against kids going to drag queen shows, being against kids being allowed to mutilate their bodies because they think they are another gender but are too young go even know about sex, being against intersectionality, being Anti Globalization, being class reductionist, being Anti consumerist, being pro free speech/free inquiry ,being against Prostitution being legalized, thinking humans are superior to animals, being against late term abortion, being against overkill idpol are falsely seen as ‘Right wing’ instead of left wing or center left which anyone with a half of brain in their head realizes. That type of world is literally hell on Earth and a place of pure evil
To think the Liberal 2.0s have a monopoly on what is correct , right and moral is naive, ignorant and very wrong common online counter to woke sjw like youtube comments. This article ,provides good insights of our current political divide
Putting everyone who doesn’t agree with Liberal 2.0 political views into the same cookie cutter category is naive and ignorant due to the complexity of politics . Putting everyone who doesn’t agree with MAGA approved political views into the same category is naive and ignorant due to the complexity of politics .
Just because a Left Winger doesn’t agree with a Liberal 2.0 view/Democrat doesn’t mean they aren’t Left Wing or that they are Right wing. It’s like a Liberal calling salad ‘fascism’ or ‘communism’ because they don’t like salad. left reddit communism is sald i dont like it meme
“Being labelled erroneously just goes to show how binary political discourse has become," he wrote. "I had criticised the 'left', so I must be the 'right', or so their logic goes." Winston Marshall
To play devil’s advocate, I do believe that Conservatives grossly underestimate the amount of in-fighting and disagreement there is within Democrat, progressive and even Liberalism 2.0 politics.reddit progressive lib confession
There are times where there are disagreement within Democrat, progressive and even Liberalism 2.0 politics where it’s NOT a bad thing for them. reddit progressive lib confession
The whole concept of labeling views left right and labeling people based on their combo of views is naive and ignores the deep complexity of politics and sociology
If we value diversity, we should value diversity of viewpoints (assuming those viewpoints are not bigoted) colleges say about debate, common online counter to woke sjw lik , . If we only hear viewpoints of the people who think like us or who we agree with, that is not a healthy thing and is a close minded, ignorant thing to do. People have a right to be wrong
No philosophy or ideology on Earth is the final arbiter of truth (within reason). common online counter to woke sjw
We allow a matrix (i.e intellectual class) of elites and experts to decide what cultural issues we should support and not support. peter thiel new right jd vance
Who are they to decide what is moral and what is immoral or what views are acceptable or non acceptable. They are humans not Gods
Liberal 2.0s sound as pious , dogmatic and moral about their beliefs as Christians and Catholics do about their beliefs.
We are told by our corporate, MSM, Hollywood overlords what we should like, who we should like, what we should hate, who we should hate. We have to break free of this by destroying Big Corp, Consumerism, Capitalism, Globalization, the state etc. We have to take control over our own lives and decide for ourself what is what
For example, the fact people cannot even openly debate LGBTQ issues without them being defamed as bigots and their debate being shut down as if every progressive view is set in stone is problematic reddit pcm
In Europe they even ban free speech that is critical of LGBTQ issues , which is wrong, fascist and against freedom of speech
Like, subjecting people who believe that the family, in order to be one, requires a father and a mother – and not the duplication of the same figure – would mean introducing a crime of opinion to criminal proceedings. Such a crime of opinion would limit “personal freedom, educational choices, the way of thinking and being, the exercise of criticism and dissent.” italy catholic concern over free speech
The horseshoe theory is fake. But according to Liberal 2.0 logic, it is ok for them to work with NeverTrumpers but it is not the other way around? reddit criticism of calling leftish people grifters
Horseshoe theory though kinda works on a super surface level, but go any deeper than that and it instantly collapses. Of most people view and interact with politics on a super surface level, so broken clock really applies to horseshoe.stupidpol
So the horseshoe theory is pure ideology. The primary contention here is that straying too far from the liberal 2.0 status quo will in the end lead to catastrophe, commonly conceived of as some type of “totalitarianism”. It depoliticizes and dehistoricizes capitalism and obfuscates the conditions that permit fascism (or communism for that matter) to emerge from supposedly “legit”, “rational” hegemonic liberal-2.0 capitalist order in the first place. stupidpol
The Democrats, and liberals and progressives instead of debating them , smear them, trash them and that is wrong, problematic and against the values that our country was founded on.
However maybe if the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far rightists weren’t obvious extremists and weren’t a magnet for bad press there would be no purity tests, grifter smearing or working with the other side complaints by the Liberal 2.0ers of their side occasionally agreeing with and working with the Right wing
The MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far rightists are wrong for smearing any Republican or Conservative with even a hint of pro military views or interventionist views as a Neocon, warhawk or warmonger.
This is treason for those the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far rightists to use those labels so casually on patriotic Republicans and Conservatives. I echo what Adam Kinzinger said about how most of these Radical Righters, far righters and alt righters right wing hippies (what Ayn Rand also called them) who smear Republicans and Conservatives as Neocons wouldn’t last one day in a war
I am angry that the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far rightists smear obvious Republicans/Right Wingers and conservatives like Sarah Palin, Madison Cawthorn, Karl Rove, Murray Rothbard, Dave Rubin, former President Richard Nixon, former President Theodore Roosevelt, John Boehner, David Cameron, Frederick Hayek, Boris Johnson, Marine Le Pen, Andrew Sullivan, Chris Christie, Sargan of Akkad, Mike Pence, Ann Coulter, Mehmet Oz, Gregg Abbott, William Buckley, Marco Rubio, etc. as RINOs/RWINOs (Right Wing in Name Only), assistant Democrats/assistant leftists, Leftists ..and even ‘Socialists’ (well only deranged stubborn Right Wingers think any of the above greedy rich Capitalist pigs are Socialists but still)
There is no pleasing the MAGA trolls & company , extreme right wing, Alt Right ,far rightists and their small minded views, they will rip into and
Just because the liberals in the US became more and more liberal, and that pushes people further and further right that is still no excuse for the right wing getting more extreme
So called Liberal 2.0ers, are twisted trolls for swatting conservative commentators and politicians. If this was the other way around there would be public outcry over it . We need to take these attempted murderers and throw them in prison by their busker browns for a long time . https://www.drewberquist.com/2022/04/stew-peters-home-gets-swatted-as-part-of-a-dangerous-hostage-prank/
I've always been bothered with how Liberal 2.0ers gang up on non Liberal 2.0ers they don't agree with or companies and other entities they don't agree with on social media whenever those people say something offensive or does something that triggers them. It feels a bit like bullying
I've seen this with Elon Musk. Look at who is ganging up on him: NY Times, open society foundation, AOC (she should know better), Elizabeth Warren, Joy Reid, Robert Reich, TechCrunch, Howard Dean, Shaun King, George Takei , pretty much anyone who served in any capacity under Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama, etc How would these Liberal 2.0ers njoy having the tide turned on them? They wouldn't like it so much, just ask Debra Messing how it feels.
Sorry, Elon Musk (who is from South Africa) supporting a BIPOC Republican (Mayra Florez) absolutely is NOT a ‘white supremacy’, see this for more. However, Elon Musk not allowing his workers to unionize shows Musk is a petty bourgeois ,greedy Capitalist classist, just like all major corporate-Big Tech leaders and companies (i.e Walmart, Google, Jeff Bezos and Amazon, etc)
Seems Elon Muskkk had his own Nazi Hitler moment , not unlike Kanye’s recent fiasco
Doesn't it seem 'weird' that its always the same Liberal 2.0 entities and people who protest against things they don't like? Same corporations, same celebrities, same news orgs, same political people, same organizations etc.
Nancy Pelosi's fears that Donald Trump would use nukes in 2021 was stupid, irrational ,ignorant and wrong. She is unhinged for saying that Trump would use nukes.
I am against the media using the word misinformation or disinformation liberally to describe select non pandemic/non medical related conservative, left wing and far left political viewpoints and narratives (within reason).
Labeling those non pandemic/non medical related conservative, left wing and far left political viewpoints and narratives as 'misinformation' or ‘disinformation’ is misleading at best and NEWSPEAK (as George Orwell talked about in 1984) at worst.
Liberal 2.0ers use the word "misinformation" (and disinformation) to dismiss contrary opinion as bogus while they simultaneously attempting to elevate their own opinion as ‘fact’ from online poster 2022
We should not apply the word misinformation or disinformation to Haz and the Grayzone type views of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, on children becoming Transgender being bad for their health, on transgender women competing in womens sports, on gun rights etc
Both sides use those words to smear and delegit and shut down opposing views (reddit or article) and we must fight against that. If anyone uses ‘misinformation’ or ‘disinformation’ it is people who use those nasty loaded words. glenn greenwald
See this for more. Here is proof of the Liberal 2.0ers are weaponizing those words, like them calling the TRUTH of higher crime ‘misinformation’
They use misinformation and disinformation interchangeable it seems. I thought the former was unintentional and the latter intentional. While I believe these two terms have lost all meaning from overuse and misuse, it is still interesting to see the self appointed experts using the terms in this way.
I believe GDI and other non profits like it are just fronts for legitimizing disinformation, information laundering if you will. Like greenwashing but for information. Corporate and government spin and propaganda are old concepts, labelling dissenting info as disinformation makes the spin doctors jobs easier. Handy service when you think about it.
GDI's MO is to take the starting narrative as ground truth and see what disagrees with it and then weigh this against 'risk of harm'. Not very objective and nor could it be and this is this inherent problem with 'truth tzars' of any kind. No one is omnipotent. destiny subreddit gid destiny ban 2023 thread
The utilization of the word "disinformation" is very much bizarre to me. This reminds me of how people simply throw around the terms "racist" and "Nazi". joe rogan sub
So basically if someone don't like what someone else is saying or posting on Twitter, it must be intentionally disseminated to create false information and narratives. Hoooooo boy. joe rogan sub
Also, I think Taylor Lorenz is a trash human. But at the same time, she's also a journo. Freedom of speech/press cuts both ways. She can publish anything she fancies, even though it's more or less doxxing. joe rogan sub
From Fox article from mid 2022: “The reality is that the people who most aggressively and destructively peddle and disseminate fake news and disinformation are the people who most vocally claim to be so concerned about it," Greenwald said. "This is such a perfect example of how disinformation has basically come to mean anything that is undermining of or subversive to the interests of the Democratic Party (Liberal 2.0 cliques only)."
Joe Biden’s Disinformation Board gives me Ministry of Truth vibes (online critique of it). At best it is slippery sloping. It was a bad idea but I am guilty they shelved that plan to implement it
George W Bush is one of the worst people to give a lecture on democracy and ‘disinformation’ .Bush’s disinformation about Saddam had weapons of mass destruction forced us into a costly senseless war with too many to count innocent victims on both sides, all to appease Dumbya’s childish one sided rivalry with Saddam. Doing imperialist acts and colonialist warmongering in a far away country like Iraq is not something a President who promotes ‘democracy’ would ever do
Bush spread more disinformation than any other President. As President, Bush was actually like a fusion of Pinocchio mixed with a used car salesperson salesman
George W Bush has no leg to stand on lecturing Vladimir Putin and Russia for Russia’s ‘imperialism’ and ‘warmongering’.
George W Bush invading an innocent country like Iraq on lies that he spewed about non existent weapons of mass destruction, is worse than Vladimir Putin intervening in Ukraine. The Iraq War lasted almost 10 years and was more costly and destructive than the situation in Ukraine is now
"Russian politician and legislator Gennady Zyuganov, leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, said that U.S. George Dumbya Bush' appearance before the unveiling of the monument was a "clumsy propaganda attempt to divert the world public opinion's attention from the true, bloody crimes of U.S. imperialism in general and the current administration in the White House in particular." Zyuganov also added that the monument was inappropriate: "How can an American president open it given the blood of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Serbs in Kosovo, Guantanamo Bay, as well as CIA prisons in Eastern Europe are part of the black list of crimes of the globalists." Wikipedia
Last point, George W Bush through his reactionary Presidency shifted the Republicans righter, which allowed the rise of 45 and his MAGA stans , so George W Bush is responsible for all the political sins that 45 and Maga has done
Barack Obama is also an imperialist warmonger like Bush and Obama also has no leg to stand on in lecturing Vladimir Putin and Russia about their ‘imperialism’ and ‘warmongering’ in Ukraine.
Barack Obama killing countless innocent people in the middle east with drones, invading Libya for baseless reasons and then senselessly murdering Omar Gaddafi for no reason, is worse than Vladimir Putin intervening in Ukraine
Barack Obama invaded Ukraine for no reason and illegally coup’d their democratically elected President (so much for Obama preaching about ‘Democracy’) in his Maidan coup for no reason. That coup caused a growing rift between Russia and Ukraine that probably caused Russia and Putin to get involved in Ukraine this year. So Obama is deflecting when he criticizes Vladimir Putin and Russia for the disaster in Ukraine.
"Misinformation can be true, but is selective in what is communicated such that the other person will come to desired conclusions". wikipedia
Qanon is a myth and nonsensical garbage.
Seeing how right wing the right has drifted recently (like with the whole Kanye fiasco), the average right-winger will be nuttier than actual Qanon people before 2024. stupidpol
As it is currently, right wingers wrongly and sadly consist of abortion crusaders, ratepayer-robbing utilities, anti-trans bullies or right-wing operatives scaring the bejesus out of school parents with a fake crisis framed as leftist indoctrination to shame white kids capital journal ohio
I am *not down with Paleoconservative as they are edgy what polcompball say conservative liberals say about the paleocons
and right wing statist what polcompball say paleolibertarians say about the paleocons
* not down with means I do not understand or approve of Paleoconservationism
but I do like the pro west views of Liberal Paleoconservatism what polcompball say liberal conservatives say about paleoconservatives(added liberal to liberal paleoconservative part myself)
Some Right Wing Populists are the real ‘RINOs’ but some of their views overlap with my parents views
The Alt Lite needs to become less edgy what polcompball say liberal conservatives say about the alt lite
I am against the Ethics committee going after AOC for RIGHTFULLY wearing a ‘tax the rich’ gown at the Met gala. What a waste of time and energy to be spent on going after her on that. Maybe if rich people didn’t exist we wouldn’t need to tax them
I am against the Democrats censuring Krysten Sinema
From the time of the Japanese samurai and European republicanist revolutionaries, the hero, the revolutionary, is not afraid to die for an idea, while as a philistine, the "little person" is more than anything else afraid of death. That slogan emphasizes the serious tragedy of the struggle of the movement in the conditions of a police state. gavin m prod toys late 2018 speech
So it is ok for Liz Cheney and the Lincoln project to attack defective Republican losers but when 45 does so to Republicans like congressman Joe O’Dea who has seemingly rightfully attacked Trump for some time now, it is not ok? Hypocritical much? . This article makes a good counterpoint though.
Here is a post I made on a interesting political exchange on a hearing
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